The news about the “self-chosen death of writer Joost Zwagerman threw me thirty years back in time. I was fourteen years old when my father at the age of 47 committed suicide. The expression “self-chosen death” I never understood. My father chose not death, it was a stopgap. He struggled, like Zwagerman, for years with depression
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With me relive many tens of thousands of survivors and children of suicide bombers by the news of a suicide a black day in their lives again. Joost Zwagerman knew exactly how that feels: his father survived a suicide attempt. He wrote in 2005 book “Through their own hands on, the only work of Zwagerman still unread state in my closet. Probably because I do know the content, but rather for runaway: the suicide of a parent harms a child’s confidence in humanity and the world, or as Zwagerman so beautifully said, “the commitment of the heart run damage on ‘ .
I think of the three children of Zwagerman. They may wonder if they are of their father were not worth the effort to live by. If they know their father very well, they will not be angry. Depression is an illness, an elusive but all-consuming disease, cancer of the mind.
Fortunately, since the 80s of the last century much has changed. There rest no longer taboo on suicide. In the reformed Ridderkerk, where I spent my childhood, literally began to close the curtains when I walked down the street. They turned away from suicide and condemned the act. I was infected. None of my girlfriends and friends attended the funeral. At school was not talking to me about my father’s death. Did ask the teachers behind my back to my friends how he had done it. They knew, because I did not taboos. My father jumped from the eleventh floor of a building in the south of Rotterdam. That was not as bad as the pitch-black world in which he lived. Can you imagine. Zwagerman also saw no other way out. Rest in peace, big gloomy writer
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No one and I mean no one can really see his head in another. To the outside world, some have a wonderful life with everything on and on but chronic depression is not visible. Judgments about people who make a choice because they can not otherwise for himself is not done. The human brain is a mystery even for scientists. Let us have respect for those for whom the only way that choice was not (not visible to others) to suffer need.
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Is this man an egoist? No, he will be a lot of thought and if you no longer want to live? Then it’s terrible for the families, but sometimes it’s over and out and do not live only for the people left behind. Now that is no life!
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You live for yourself, you should know if you still own a misery. Or you may decide that even though no longer themselves.
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All tragic, of course, but we still have to speak gaps: It is and remains a self-chosen death. Apparently someone rather be dead than to suffer from depression. That is a choice. Perhaps both alternatives are not attractive but it remains their choice
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But what if you’re so depressed and so tired of fighting it, you even can not anymore? Suicide is not a choice, but an escape from a hopeless and deep suffering, which you’ve been fighting for so long, but that is no longer tolerable.
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Obviously awful for the families, but you can turn it around. Knowing that you are “there always can get out” keeps many on the leg. Sometimes with great difficulty, but still. In my view, everyone has the right to live, but to die. Unfortunately for some, the life more livable.
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In the hope that he has his immediate environment with not too many question marks left behind. Rest in peace Joost.
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What this beautifully written response. You can not judge someone who can no longer live. Too bad that many people see it as cowardly, I think there a lot of courage is needed! Everyone has the right to decide about his own life, another does not have to do, it’s your life and if you can no longer live it to yourself to be ready with it. I hope that family and friends can understand that he is not otherwise able and wish them much strength with this loss.
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You can not judge how someone else feels. The degree of depression is not the same for everyone. Sometimes awareness of the outside world severely degraded or gone. Who knows what’s been going on in the last hours / months / years in Joost. It must have been hell.
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An endless mental torture, depression .. so much that the scales sadness prevails over all the beauty that often can have in life. Cowardly, absolutely not! The solution? Maybe. That may be the one who has come to this decision and has also performed, only experienced. At least, that is my belief. Life is beautiful, can fill you with joy. I cherish it, so glad I can stand in life! Rest in peace, success with your personal exploration
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A Depression only see the black hole is so deep that you are never likely to come out. Often there is help from doctors and medication and those around you. Then you succeed and you just know that little light to see that forces once more and sing with joy and sunshine. Sometimes you do not succeed, and then you see only one way out.
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He chose and at peace now. Let us now stop the whipping of the tragedy.
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Why pay such attention to this, sad for the families. Unfortunately, there are more suicides. We hear nothing of it. Sad that NIS morning one paid ample attention to. Unfortunately there is much more that plays in the world!
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Healthcare institutions are stuck by current rules of the current government, 21% more suicides, poverty at all levels in society. Media paid attention only to known and politically conscious suffering.
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Suicide selfish and cowardly? All physical diseases are recognized. Mental illnesses are taken with 1000 kilos of salt. I can not wait until the year 2115. And it will show that people are really sick. Imagine yourself now the question is, why can not break down my body and my soul?
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Also I have always ruled over and found only weak, but since I read Isa Hoes of the book … When I saw you are …. with my eyes open and have been marked by what hell do people, so I think that they actually do not want to die, but they can not take it anymore …. and it can not overlook … .how sad for them …
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Depression is a defense of strong feelings. Sadly lacking in the Netherlands interested, compassionate people who provide security to dare to feel those feelings and then you get this.
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Nico74 (guest). There is a difference between “depression”. Think and fight do depressed people too. But if you have knowledge, you also know that at the time of an attempted suicide there are no thoughts about the consequences for others. And that’s not cowardly or selfish, but the result of a blank mind at that time, otherwise the niet.Dus happens that judgment is incorrect, psychology from the cold ground, so hurtful, especially for those who have survived an attempt.
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Best Nico74, today we would be the 17th anniversary of our dear daughter would celebrate … … we still have 18 days after her 16th birthday with her … I think you may enjoy fighting spirit admirable, but cowardly and selfish I can not call the choice of our daughter … now, not ever! they really do not deserve …
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Perhaps Joost Zwagerman did not die but he could no longer at life. Joost Thank you for letting me enjoy your penmanship and watching and listening to art.
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Impressive column. It is clear that everyone deserves a “good” death, and that no one there are those of 11 jumping high. Gruesome! It is high, very high time we got to think differently about euthanasia and the choice should be left to the man himself and make him / her to provide the human resources to die quietly.
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Beautiful and very well done your story. This is one of the worst diseases that exist, partly due to the lack of understanding of other people. It is not absolutely no selfishness, it’s unbearable suffering, day in day out with psychosis as the apex and going year after year with very occasional good days.
We still know so little about the human mind that we can not comprehend some things and certainly can not judge.